109 Responses to “LJ Controversy”

1. Kayleigh Posted: May 31st, 2006 6:27 pm

   1 Well I don’t really see the big deal, how can it be innappropriate?? The people at livejournal are just idiots.

2. TGO Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:12 pm

   2 as much as women have the right to breastfeed in public , people have the right to not want pictures of breastfed kids on THEIR network. the door swings both ways. I love boobs! im a total boob man but seeing a little one latched onto one is not exactly appealing nor is it something i personally want to see and many other people are in agreement with that. and LJ is well within their rights to do so. its going to boil down to “if you dont like it LEAVE” LJ has done nothing wrong. hell for shits and giggles i reported a few people and got them suspended.

3. Heather Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:21 pm

   3 LJ is within their right. That doesn’t make it right though.

4. TGO Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:33 pm

   4 why not? there are people that don’t want to see that. and its well within their right not to have to. its about give and take.

5. Heather Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:35 pm

   5 It’s about fostering an environment that promotes breastfeeding as the norm - which it should be. We live in a disposable formula culture and it is doing more harm than good. And the argument that there are people that don’t want to see it has flaws in that I am sure there are people who don’t want to see homosexual themed icons, or democrat icons, or findng Nemo icons. We should just ban all icons in that case. And if you’re going to ban nipples/areola, you need to ban male nips as well.

6. TGO Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:41 pm

   6 but formula is the norm too. formula is just as good, i will agree that people who say formula is better than breast milk are on crack but the way formula is made these days its just as good. and I can attest to that, my son was formula fed and he’s perfectly fine. well he has allergies but so do me and my wife so he was doomed there anyway. Regarding man boobs and man nipples i agree male nips should be as well.

7. Heather Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:42 pm

   7 Formula is not just as good. It’s listed as 4th best. lol.

8. TGO Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:49 pm

   8 Heather on May 31, 2006 at 9:42 pm said: Formula is not just as good. It’s listed as 4th best. lol. uh whats 2nd and 3rd. where did u get that info from anyway?

9. Heather Posted: May 31st, 2006 9:51 pm

   9 The World Health Organization (WHO) The list is Breastmilk from mother’s breast Expressed milk from mother Milk from a donor mom formula Formula will never be just as good as breastmilk based alone on the fact that one is a living, changing substance.

10. Lindsay Posted: May 31st, 2006 10:01 pm

    10 Part of me wonders if it’s just another way for LiveJournal to get more press… it’s working, if that’s the plan =P

11. TGO Posted: May 31st, 2006 10:06 pm

    11 but they can emulate it. i still say its just as good. on that we probably will have to agree to disagree.

12. Heather Posted: May 31st, 2006 10:08 pm

    12 Indeed.

13. Joey Michaels Posted: May 31st, 2006 10:22 pm

    13 I wonder if my icon of me as Allah with bombs on my head could be banned from LiveJournal since it could offend some people?

14. TGO Posted: May 31st, 2006 10:25 pm

    14 probably would. it would be hilarious though

15. Ranee Posted: May 31st, 2006 10:50 pm

    15 TGO on May 31, 2006 at 9:12 pm said: as much as women have the right to breastfeed in public , people have the right to not want pictures of breastfed kids on THEIR network. the door swings both ways. I love boobs! im a total boob man but seeing a little one latched onto one is not exactly appealing nor is it something i personally want to see and many other people are in agreement with that. and LJ is well within their rights to do so. its going to boil down to “if you dont like it LEAVE” LJ has done nothing wrong. hell for shits and giggles i reported a few people and got them suspended. hahaha that made my day. for shits and giggles! humm wonder if jennifuckup is one of the ones you reported? anyway, i’ll leave it at this………when you own it, you can do with it as you please.

16. Ranee Posted: May 31st, 2006 10:53 pm

    16 wait a second why don’t i see breastfeeing icons as gravatars? if breastfeeing moms who had those icons are really this passionate about it, they should change all their icons on myspace, gravatar, etc. etc. to the same pic that got booted form lj. i’m sick of seeing the random lj or myspace whore pics and i’m offended. i think all nudity should be banned from the net. blah.

17. Shaw Posted: May 31st, 2006 11:25 pm

    17 In other countries they couldn’t care less, but because it’s america…it’s all about nipple terrorism I tellya. The world would be such a better place if it could only get over itself.

18. TGO Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 12:24 am

    18 Ranee on May 31, 2006 at 10:53 pm said: wait a second why don’t i see breastfeeing icons as gravatars? if breastfeeing moms who had those icons are really this passionate about it, they should change all their icons on myspace, gravatar, etc. etc. to the same pic that got booted form lj. i’m sick of seeing the random lj or myspace whore pics and i’m offended. i think all nudity should be banned from the net. blah. what do you have against nudity. u don’t seem the prudish type =)

19. TGO Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 12:29 am

    19 Ranee on May 31, 2006 at 10:50 pm said: hahaha that made my day. for shits and giggles! humm wonder if jennifuckup is one of the ones you reported? anyway, i’ll leave it at this………when you own it, you can do with it as you please. but of course, that was my fAvorite one to report =). shits and giggles baby.

20. R&C's Dildo Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 1:41 am

    20 Heather on May 31, 2006 at 9:51 pm said: The World Health Organization (WHO) The list is Breastmilk from mother’s breast Expressed milk from mother Milk from a donor mom formula Formula will never be just as good as breastmilk based alone on the fact that one is a living, changing substance. I don’t know about anyone else but formula should still be viewed as #2 since the first three is just breastmilk, just worded to push formula down the list.

21. momo Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:11 am

    21 I think if lj allows icons like the one on http://livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=nachtritter (pornographic pics ahoy) then breastfeeding icons shouldn’t be a prob.

22. Angelina Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:20 am

    22 Er ya know, just sounds like they are trying to get a big drama thing going on with this new policy, that, to me, is just ridiculous.

23. John Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 7:23 am

    23 R&C’s Dildo on June 1, 2006 at 1:41 am said: I don’t know about anyone else but formula should still be viewed as #2 since the first three is just breastmilk, just worded to push formula down the list. That’s like saying there are four teams in a division, three of them are tied for first, and the fourth team is just by itself in the basement, and saying that fourth team is the second best team in the division.

24. Crys Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 7:46 am

    24 I’ll be honest, I’m all for breastfeeding and trying to educate people about its benefits. But personally, If I ever saw a picture of me attatched to my mothers boob, I would be some what grossed out. I would feel even worse if she was passing these pictures around on the net. BFing is supposed to be something special between mother and baby, not something you go shoving in other peoples faces.

25. Ranee Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 8:47 am

    25 TGO on June 1, 2006 at 12:24 am said: what do you have against nudity. u don’t seem the prudish type =) no i just think that if it came down to putting avatars/icons of your breastfeeding or having absolutely no place on the net that accepts you, they’d cave. thus proving that it’s not that big of a deal.

26. Ranee Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 8:49 am

    26 Crys on June 1, 2006 at 7:46 am said: I’ll be honest, I’m all for breastfeeding and trying to educate people about its benefits. But personally, If I ever saw a picture of me attatched to my mothers boob, I would be some what grossed out. I would feel even worse if she was passing these pictures around on the net. BFing is supposed to be something special between mother and baby, not something you go shoving in other peoples faces. Yay! I’d feel the same way.

27. John Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 8:54 am

    27 Ranee on June 1, 2006 at 8:47 am said: [earlier quotes truncated] no i just think that if it came down to putting avatars/icons of your breastfeeding or having absolutely no place on the net that accepts you, they’d cave. thus proving that it’s not that big of a deal. So if Rosa Parks just sat in the bus since blacks had absolutely no rights to sit where they wanted to, our world would be a better place? It’s not that big a deal? I know, apples to oranges. Or is it?

28. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 9:06 am

    28 The attitude is a big deal. Breastfeeding shouldn’t be something that needs to be hidden.

29. Christina Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 9:24 am

    29 I agree with what the lactivists are fighting for, I just think it’s a battle with livejournal that they aren’t going to be able to win. I personally don’t think livejournal is going to budge on this one. I think the women who were suspended for the default icons should find new homes. Hell, they should get their own domains or be hosted by someone who doesn’t care about breastfeeding icons and then post all the breastfeeding pictures they want.

30. TGO Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 9:39 am

    30 momo on June 1, 2006 at 3:11 am said: I think if lj allows icons like the one on http://livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=nachtritter (pornographic pics ahoy) then breastfeeding icons shouldn’t be a prob. that shouldnt be allowed either. report them to LJ. i just dont get how people think cartoon porn is a turn on. i really dont

31. TGO Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 9:40 am

    31 John on June 1, 2006 at 7:23 am said: That’s like saying there are four teams in a division, three of them are tied for first, and the fourth team is just by itself in the basement, and saying that fourth team is the second best team in the division. technically they are.

32. TGO Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 9:41 am

    32 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 9:06 am said: The attitude is a big deal. Breastfeeding shouldn’t be something that needs to be hidden. covered up, not hidden =)

33. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 9:49 am

    33 If breastfeeding needs to be covered than so does bottle feeding.

34. Anna Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 10:39 am

    34 I’m all for BFing. I did it and loved it with my daughter. And I fed her ANYWHERE we went. Mall, restaurant, parks, friends house, grocery store, etc. BUT! I did cover myself when BFing in public places. Most people don’t even realize what you are doing if you just drape a blanket over your shoulder. I didn’t cover up because I was trying to “hide it”, I did it because I didn’t think anybody else should have to feel uncomfortable watching/seeing it. It’s the same reason we have doors on bathroom stalls. We aren’t HIDING what we are doing and in the bathroom we are all the same sex, and have the same parts, and are doing the same thing… but it’s not polite to subject others to it and nobody wants to have to SEE it so we close the door. As I understand it, LJ was only banning those who had the default icon set to these pictures. I don’t see the big deal in having a neutral default icon, then using the BFing one when posting in a topic specific group or on your own blog.

35. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 10:55 am

    35 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 9:06 am said: The attitude is a big deal. Breastfeeding shouldn’t be something that needs to be hidden. i agree 100%! but i also think that “boob nazis”, and i use that term loosely, shouldn’t make a woman feel like an incompetent, horrible mother just because she didn’t breastfeed. honestly, between my circle of friends, there’s a HUGE difference between the ones that were breastfed and the ones that weren’t. that alone is reason enough for me to somewhat base an opinion on breastfeeding. Heather on May 31, 2006 at 9:51 pm said: The World Health Organization (WHO) The list is Breastmilk from mother’s breast Expressed milk from mother Milk from a donor mom formula Formula will never be just as good as breastmilk based alone on the fact that one is a living, changing substance. to be quite honest, i would never give my child breast milk that came from another woman, even if it is “3rd best on the list”. that just seems kind of… gross? but that’s just my opinion. i’ve seen some really sweet, loving and beautiful breastfeeding icons/pictures, but i’ve also seen just downright disgusting ones (e.g. jenn’s) and ones where you can tell that the woman was just trying to show off her breasts (e.g. jenn’s). i don’t think that lj should ban EVERY breastfeeding icon, but there is a huge difference between tasteful and just downright raunchy.

36. Angela Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 11:15 am

    36 TGO on June 1, 2006 at 9:39 am said: that shouldnt be allowed either. report them to LJ. i just dont get how people think cartoon porn is a turn on. i really dont just reported them.

37. Crys Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 1:43 pm

    37 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 9:49 am said: If breastfeeding needs to be covered than so does bottle feeding. Its not a matter of covering up what you are doing, its a matter of not showing your boob. I have no problem walking into a store and seeing a mother breastfeed. But if that mother has her entire boob whipped out then I would feel a bit akward. Anytime I ever BFed my daughter in public I always made sure I was properly covered. Lets face it, some people just don’t like to see a random boob in a public place.

38. Priscilla Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 2:34 pm

    38 samantha on June 1, 2006 at 10:55 am said: honestly, between my circle of friends, there’s a HUGE difference between the ones that were breastfed and the ones that weren’t. that alone is reason enough for me to somewhat base an opinion on breastfeeding. care to explain the difference?

39. Emz Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 2:48 pm

    39 Ok so what is the deal in showing breastfeeding mums? It’s natural because breast is best! Lol. LJ have a tampon up their ass.

40. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:46 pm

    40 I really don’t understand the “formula is 4th best” theory since like R&D said, the other 2 spots are just breastmilk as well. I also don’t understand this holier than thou attitude that some breastfeeding mothers have toward those who use formula. Formula is fine. Breastfeeding is fine. Whats the beef? I agree with Livejournal. Sure, breastfeeding is perfectly natural and healthy but that doesn’t mean unsuspecting people should be forced to look at your tits. Giving blowjobs is perfectly natural too but not everyone wants to see someone getting one on Livejournal. People as young as like 10 years old use that site. Breasts alone are natural. But did people have the right to be angry when Janet Jackson flashed a tit on public television? Yes. It’s not a whole lot different.

41. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:49 pm

    41 Formula is fine if you like the increased risk of diabetes, obesity and food allergies. And it absolutely is different. A breast in the context of breastfeeding is NOT obscene, indecent, or sexual. Blow jobs are. There are a lot of things on Lj I don’t want to see. Pop stars, thongs, the font silkscreen. Let’s go ban them too.

42. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:55 pm

    42 Priscilla on June 1, 2006 at 2:34 pm said: care to explain the difference? no, i don’t. surprisingly, the differences actually seem to favor formula. but keep in mind, these are just my observances and opinions…. first example, my husband was breastfed. he’s extremely underweight, he’s sooo pale that he almost looks transparent and he’s CONSTANTLY sick. my best friend is morbidly obese and just generally unhealthy. she was also breastfed. my friend kristin is perfectly healthy, of average weight and RARELY gets sick. she was formula fed. i was formula fed. before i had my son i was of average weight and i hardly ever get sick. and that seems to be how it is amongst just about everyone that i know. the people that were formula fed turned out great, where as the people that were breastfed seem to be unhealthy. again, this is just my opinion. so don’t take it to heart…. i do agree that breast milk is a lot safer compared to formula, just for the simple fact that you know what’s in it and where it’s coming from. as opposed to formula that is made in a factory and you really have no idea what’s in it. but i personally don’t see the long term health benefits of breastfeeding….

43. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:57 pm

    43 Samantha you want the biggest long term health benefit of breastfeeding? We are still here.

44. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:58 pm

    44 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 3:57 pm said: Samantha you want the biggest long term health benefit of breastfeeding? We are still here. so are the people that were formula fed, so what’s your point?

45. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 3:59 pm

    45 I meant humans are still here. As in, breastfeeding got us through THOUSANDS of years to where we are. Formula is very recent creation and already we see thngs like formula = lower iq. Formula is substandard infant nutrition.

46. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:15 pm

    46 But it is the same because everyone has different ideas of what is obscene. Personally, I find it obscene when a woman whips her tit out in a crowded restaurant. LJ has the right to do what they want with something that THEY own. Want to show pictures of yourself having a baby suckling on your tit? Fine. Get some webhosting that will allow for such things to be on their server. I’m still here too and guess what? I was bottle fed! Your “biggest benefit” doesn’t really make any sense.

47. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:17 pm

    47 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 3:59 pm said: I meant humans are still here. As in, breastfeeding got us through THOUSANDS of years to where we are. Formula is very recent creation and already we see thngs like formula = lower iq. Formula is substandard infant nutrition. You actually measure intelligence by IQ tests?

48. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:18 pm

    48 Breastfeeding is what got humans to where they are today. Not formula. Maybe we should ban all icons, since everything offends someone. And Livejournal does have that right. And angry customers have the right to challenge it.

49. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:19 pm

    49 Me personally, I never said I did. I said that studies are out there linking Formula to lower IQ scores.

50. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:23 pm

    50 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 3:59 pm said: I meant humans are still here. As in, breastfeeding got us through THOUSANDS of years to where we are. Formula is very recent creation and already we see thngs like formula = lower iq. Formula is substandard infant nutrition. yes, but the ingredients in formula today come VERY close to the ingredients in breast milk. the only difference is that formula doesn’t contain anti-bodies…. the main argument is that breastfeeding makes the baby healthier, but to me it doesn’t seem like it really does. i know people that were breastfed that have allergies, diabetes and are obese….. it pisses me off that certain people make women feel like shit because they don’t breastfeed. just because you breastfeed doesn’t mean you’re an awesome mother. fuck, i knew alcoholics and junkies that breastfed their babies….

51. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:26 pm

    51 I don’t think the choice to not breastfeed makes someone a bad mother. I do think it is a 100% selfish choice if she chooses to bottlefeed when she CAN.

52. Ranee Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:28 pm

    52 John on June 1, 2006 at 8:54 am said: So if Rosa Parks just sat in the bus since blacks had absolutely no rights to sit where they wanted to, our world would be a better place? It’s not that big a deal? I know, apples to oranges. Or is it? No I absolutely 100% do not think it’s that big a deal and nothing anyone says is going to change my mind on that, just like I’m not changing anyone’s mind on it in return. But correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t that a public bus? Not that it was just open to the public but as well owned by the city? If Livejournal was owned by the city of new york and everyone in new york was able to have an avatar but a brestfeeder, it would be an issue of discrimination. If I go to school and don’t like to look at fat kids and don’t hang around with them, that’s a form of discrimination, but if I don’t say anything to them in public then the issue really is just my personal preference. And yeah I think it’s pretty strange that they started with breastfeeders and not with little porn captions, priorities a little confused? Yeah.

53. Ranee Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:29 pm

    53 TGO on June 1, 2006 at 9:39 am said: that shouldnt be allowed either. report them to LJ. i just dont get how people think cartoon porn is a turn on. i really dont right all of that was pretty disgusting. if it were me and i owned the place, i’d have started with some of that.

54. Ranee Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:33 pm

    54 samantha on June 1, 2006 at 10:55 am said: i agree 100%! but i also think that “boob nazis”, and i use that term loosely, shouldn’t make a woman feel like an incompetent, horrible mother just because she didn’t breastfeed. honestly, between my circle of friends, there’s a HUGE difference between the ones that were breastfed and the ones that weren’t. that alone is reason enough for me to somewhat base an opinion on breastfeeding. to be quite honest, i would never give my child breast milk that came from another woman, even if it is “3rd best on the list”. that just seems kind of… gross? but that’s just my opinion. i’ve seen some really sweet, loving and beautiful breastfeeding icons/pictures, but i’ve also seen just downright disgusting ones (e.g. jenn’s) and ones where you can tell that the woman was just trying to show off her breasts (e.g. jenn’s). i don’t think that lj should ban EVERY breastfeeding icon, but there is a huge difference between tasteful and just downright raunchy. i never got to see jenn’s but i’m sure it was quite disgusting. here’s something for you though. i’m more offended by the fact that she had that icon of her and alyssa that has her kissing her and say something like love xoxo and then posted a message talking about anal sex and her poop sperm. that to me is more offensive than a breastfeeding pic. but hey whatever. i did want to say that when you were talking about breast milk from a donor it made me think again of the adoption issue. if you adopt young enough you can take hormones and actually feed your child. to me that just seems un natural. maybe it’s just me, but i’d rather give it a bottle.

55. Ranee Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:36 pm

    55 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 4:18 pm said: Breastfeeding is what got humans to where they are today. Not formula. Maybe we should ban all icons, since everything offends someone. And Livejournal does have that right. And angry customers have the right to challenge it. ah but this would pertain only when the service to the customer was paid for i think. when it’s free, you really have a hard time complaining.

56. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:37 pm

    56 And I, and the other mothers I’ve spoken to, all pay for our LJs

57. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:51 pm

    57 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 4:26 pm said: I don’t think the choice to not breastfeed makes someone a bad mother. I do think it is a 100% selfish choice if she chooses to bottlefeed when she CAN. i wholeheartedly agree with you. but unfortunately not every woman can breastfeed. it is a shame that lj is attacking the issue of breastfeeding icons when there are a TON of other issues that they could be dealing with. seriously, some of those lj communities are just downright offensive and disgusting….

58. Heather D Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:53 pm

    58 Good grief. Formula is NOT “just as good as” breastmilk. Even the formula companies admit that much. If you believe as much… then you’ve read far too many formula advertisements. And we all know that adverts are the BEST source for factual information. The fact is, formula is there for women who medically cannot breastfeed… and the numbers for that are somewhere around 5% of women. In spite of this, around 24% of babies are STILL breastfed at 6 months, even though the AAP recommends at least one year of breastfeeding, and WHO recommends at least TWO. And I’m sorry, “I was formula fed and was fine” is not good enough a reason to feed my child crap in a can. I know plenty of people who ride around without seatbelts and are just fine. Doesn’t mean I’m going to ride around without one.

59. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:55 pm

    59 Just because you pay for a LJ doesn’t mean you should be able to do whatever you want with that space. There are restrictions to freedom. If I post goatse on my website and my host says it’s against their rules then they have that right. They own the server. I just rent their space. They are allowed to shut me down if I refuse to conform to their regulations. That’s fair. It’s a lot like renting an apartment, no?

60. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:57 pm

    60 But I CAN challenge it.

61. Heather D Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 4:58 pm

    61 And also, images of dead babies with severe congenital defects are permitted on LJ, yet breastfed babies aren’t. How screwed up is that? http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/46920673/162948 http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/42787164/162948 http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/42543180/162948 http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/46667371/162948 All these icons are approved for use as default userpics. And yet a picture that shows a SLIGHT bit of a woman’s areola is not. THAT’s the issue.

62. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:00 pm

    62 Heather D on June 1, 2006 at 4:53 pm said: Good grief. Formula is NOT “just as good as” breastmilk. Even the formula companies admit that much. If you believe as much… then you’ve read far too many formula advertisements. And we all know that adverts are the BEST source for factual information. The fact is, formula is there for women who medically cannot breastfeed… and the numbers for that are somewhere around 5% of women. In spite of this, around 24% of babies are STILL breastfed at 6 months, even though the AAP recommends at least one year of breastfeeding, and WHO recommends at least TWO. And I’m sorry, “I was formula fed and was fine” is not good enough a reason to feed my child crap in a can. I know plenty of people who ride around without seatbelts and are just fine. Doesn’t mean I’m going to ride around without one. see, it’s women like you that make women feel like failures as mothers just because they didn’t breastfeed their child… and yes, seeing the HUGE difference between the people that were breastfed compared to the people that weren’t, makes me second guess the health benefits of breastfeeding….

63. Heather D Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:04 pm

    63 samantha on June 1, 2006 at 5:00 pm said: see, it’s women like you that make women feel like failures as mothers just because they didn’t breastfeed their child… and yes, seeing the HUGE difference between the people that were breastfed compared to the people that weren’t, makes me second guess the health benefits of breastfeeding…. Oh yes, how DARE I cite actual statistics supporting my opinions? You know, it’s not me that makes a mother feel badly for her decisions. She does that all by herself. If she feels badly because she didn’t breastfeed her child, and had no decent excuse (chemotherapy IS a valid excuse, honest) not to, other than “I want my body back”, then you know something, maybe there’s a reason. Sure, the entire American Academy of Pediatrics and World Health Organization are just pulling their research out of their ass to put poor, abused formula companies out of business.

64. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:05 pm

    64 Heather D on June 1, 2006 at 4:53 pm said: Good grief. Formula is NOT “just as good as” breastmilk. Even the formula companies admit that much. If you believe as much… then you’ve read far too many formula advertisements. And we all know that adverts are the BEST source for factual information. The fact is, formula is there for women who medically cannot breastfeed… and the numbers for that are somewhere around 5% of women. In spite of this, around 24% of babies are STILL breastfed at 6 months, even though the AAP recommends at least one year of breastfeeding, and WHO recommends at least TWO. And I’m sorry, “I was formula fed and was fine” is not good enough a reason to feed my child crap in a can. I know plenty of people who ride around without seatbelts and are just fine. Doesn’t mean I’m going to ride around without one. You’ve been a mother for like….how long? 2 years? That’s cool. I respect that you’re a young first time mom. But I find it hard to accept your critisism of people like my own mother who have been doing the parent thing for over 30 years now. What you choose to feed your kid is your own ideal. Fine. But don’t go assuming that bottle feeding automatically makes someone a selfish parent. The truth is that in some cases that couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s not a good enough reason for YOU to feed your kid formula but nobody is killing babies here. Try coming down on some of those crackwhores out there that get pregnant once a year just to collect welfare and then neglect their children. No mother is perfect and if bottle feeding is the worst that one can do to their child then i’d name them Mother Of The Year. I actually don’t see anyone here coming down on breasteeding anyway. It’s about LJ and their right to disable pictures of tits.

65. Heather D Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:08 pm

    65 Erin on June 1, 2006 at 5:05 pm said: You’ve been a mother for like….how long? 2 years? That’s cool. I respect that you’re a young first time mom. But I find it hard to accept your critisism of people like my own mother who have been doing the parent thing for over 30 years now. What you choose to feed your kid is your own ideal. Fine. But don’t go assuming that bottle feeding automatically makes someone a selfish parent. The truth is that in some cases that couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s not a good enough reason for YOU to feed your kid formula but nobody is killing babies here. Try coming down on some of those crackwhores out there that get pregnant once a year just to collect welfare and then neglect their children. No mother is perfect and if bottle feeding is the worst that one can do to their child then i’d name them Mother Of The Year. I actually don’t see anyone here coming down on breasteeding anyway. It’s about LJ and their right to disable pictures of tits. How long I’ve been a mother is of no importance. Number of years lived after having bred does not, incidentally, equate to good parenting. Nor does it mean anything other than you bred X number of years ago. I’ve never said a mother is a bad mother for formula feeding, incidentally. I’ve simply said that formula is a substandard replacement for what nature intended babies to eat. I personally don’t care WHAT you feed your child. If you want to feed them raw sewage, that’s on your head. Not mine. I’m simply tired of misinformation and people trying to say things like “formula is just the same” when in fact it is NOT.

66. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:12 pm

    66 Heather D on June 1, 2006 at 5:04 pm said: Oh yes, how DARE I cite actual statistics supporting my opinions? You know, it’s not me that makes a mother feel badly for her decisions. She does that all by herself. If she feels badly because she didn’t breastfeed her child, and had no decent excuse (chemotherapy IS a valid excuse, honest) not to, other than “I want my body back”, then you know something, maybe there’s a reason. Sure, the entire American Academy of Pediatrics and World Health Organization are just pulling their research out of their ass to put poor, abused formula companies out of business. sweetie, you didn’t post ANY statistics supporting breastfeeding. you only posted statistics about what age to stop breastfeeding and the percentage of women that cannot. and of course when a woman reads that she’s feeding her child “crap in a can”, of course it’s going to make her feel guilty about feeding her child formula. and maybe if you re-read EVERYTHING that i wrote, you would see that i do think breastmilk is SAFER than formula. like i said before, my opinions are just that, MY opinions. i never said that seeing the difference between breastfed people and formula fed people makes it factual that breastmilk isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. it’s just MY opinion….

67. R&C's Dildo Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:15 pm

    67 What it boils down to is public vs private sectors not what is more benificial or healthier for the child. No matter how much we try, we will never satisfy EVERYONE in society. There will always be someone that gets offended. Take religious crosses… they’re ok on private land but not on public property. One side would like to see them totally removed from public view, even on private property. The other side would like them to remain in public view, both public & private property. But the courts have been ruling that crosses on public land is unconstitional but are okay if they’re on private property. If you’re gonna breastfeed on public property fine, but if you’re gonna breastfeed on private property, you have to respect the owner’s wishes. If they say it’s ok, great! If not, show some respect.

68. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:17 pm

    68 Again though, there is nothing wrong with challenging the rule. And I agree with everything you said, Heather.

69. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:17 pm

    69 Erin on June 1, 2006 at 5:05 pm said: No mother is perfect and if bottle feeding is the worst that one can do to their child then i’d name them Mother Of The Year. well fuckin’ said!

70. Heather D Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:18 pm

    70 samantha on June 1, 2006 at 5:12 pm said: sweetie, you didn’t post ANY statistics supporting breastfeeding. you only posted statistics about what age to stop breastfeeding and the percentage of women that cannot. and of course when a woman reads that she’s feeding her child “crap in a can”, of course it’s going to make her feel guilty about feeding her child formula. and maybe if you re-read EVERYTHING that i wrote, you would see that i do think breastmilk is SAFER than formula. like i said before, my opinions are just that, MY opinions. i never said that seeing the difference between breastfed people and formula fed people makes it factual that breastmilk isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. it’s just MY opinion…. Don’t be patronizing, sweetie. No one can make you feel guilty but yourself. If a mother is made to feel guilty by a random statement from someone on the internet, there’s something deeper at work. What you’ve seen in your life isn’t evidence of the efficacy of formula. Formula won’t make your kid grow extra limbs, but there is a definite, measured reduction in development. In my experience, the effects of formula vs breastfeeding are completely opposite. Everyone that I know who was breastfed is healthier than those who were formula fed as children. No one has ever stated that a child who is breastfed will never, ever, ever get sick, simply that they will get sick less often than they would have, and the duration of the illnesses they do contract are generally shorter and the symptoms less severe. What does the WHO have to say about it? “Breastmilk promotes sensory and cognitive development, and protects the infant against infectious and chronic diseases. Exclusive breastfeeding reduces infant mortality due to common childhood illnesses such as diarrhoea or pneumonia, and helps for a quicker recovery during illness. These effects can be measured in resource-poor and affluent societies (Kramer M et al Promotion of Breastfeeding Intervention Trial (PROBIT): A randomized trial in the Republic of Belarus. Journal of the American Medical Association, 2001, 285 (4): 413-420)”

71. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:32 pm

    71 Heather D on June 1, 2006 at 5:18 pm said: No one can make you feel guilty but yourself. If a mother is made to feel guilty by a random statement from someone on the internet, there’s something deeper at work. What you’ve seen in your life isn’t evidence of the efficacy of formula. Formula won’t make your kid grow extra limbs, but there is a definite, measured reduction in development. In my experience, the effects of formula vs breastfeeding are completely opposite. Everyone that I know who was breastfed is healthier than those who were formula fed as children. SWEETIE, like i said before about my opinion on the health benefits of breastfeeding…. IT’S MY OPINION. i never said that just because everyone that i know that was formula fed is healthier than those that weren’t, that formula is the end all be all compared to breastmilk…

72. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:32 pm

    72 “How long I’ve been a mother is of no importance. Number of years lived after having bred does not, incidentally, equate to good parenting. Nor does it mean anything other than you bred X number of years ago.” How is it not of importance? Are you insuinuating that you have as much experience in parenting as a perfectly good mother who has raised 3 kids? If so, I’m sorry to burst your special sense of reality but it’s not the case. The bottom line is that me (and others like me) grew up with: a bed to sleep in, unconditional love and support, a safe home where we weren’t abused, and…similac. I guess our moms were pretty selfish, huh? I guess you’re so much better for being selfless enough to let your child drink from your breast. Pardon me. I disagree. I’m not saying that breast milk isn’t healthier. On the contrary. I’m simply saying that bottle feeding is perfectly fine.

73. Heather D Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:33 pm

    73 My comment isn’t directed specifically at you, interestingly enough. It’s at all the people who swear up and down that formula = breastmilk when it doesn’t.

74. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:34 pm

    74 Bottle feeding is fine. But it is selfish to do it when you physically can breastfeed. Why wouldn’t you give your child the best? Why would you choose to give them something subpar. And if parenting ability is measured by the number of children, how many do you have Erin? Samantha? Parenting is about making the best possible choices for your children even if you have to make sacrifices to do so.

75. Heather D Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:37 pm

    75 Erin on June 1, 2006 at 5:32 pm said: “How long I’ve been a mother is of no importance. Number of years lived after having bred does not, incidentally, equate to good parenting. Nor does it mean anything other than you bred X number of years ago.” How is it not of importance? Are you insuinuating that you have as much experience in parenting as a perfectly good mother who has raised 3 kids? If so, I’m sorry to burst your special sense of reality but it’s not the case. The bottom line is that me (and others like me) grew up with: a bed to sleep in, unconditional love and support, a safe home where we weren’t abused, and…similac. I guess our moms were pretty selfish, huh? I guess you’re so much better for being selfless enough to let your child drink from your breast. Pardon me. I disagree. I’m not saying that breast milk isn’t healthier. On the contrary. I’m simply saying that bottle feeding is perfectly fine. My husband is 29 years old. His mother raised him. She’s been a mother for nearly thirty years. She is, incidentally, a shitty mother. Duration of time spent post-birth does NOT mean you’re a better parent. I know some spectacular parents with children under two years of age, and parents with a dozen kids over a course of twenty years that should be locked up. So no, being a mother longer does not make you a better parent. It’s funny. The first ones who always bring up the “formula feeding makes you a bad mother” are the ones who formula feed.

76. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:44 pm

    76 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 5:34 pm said: Bottle feeding is fine. But it is selfish to do it when you physically can breastfeed. Why wouldn’t you give your child the best? Why would you choose to give them something subpar. And if parenting ability is measured by the number of children, how many do you have Erin? Samantha? Parenting is about making the best possible choices for your children even if you have to make sacrifices to do so. i agree. but i never claimed to be this “super-awesome mom”. i make mistakes, just like every new mother. however, i do have common sense when it comes to certain things. i don’t stick spoons up my child’s ass or feed a newborn cereal, and then claim to not know any better because i’m new to the whole motherhood thing. a lot of parenting skills just boil down to common sense and not just experience…

77. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:49 pm

    77 Heather D on June 1, 2006 at 5:37 pm said: My husband is 29 years old. His mother raised him. She’s been a mother for nearly thirty years. She is, incidentally, a shitty mother. Duration of time spent post-birth does NOT mean you’re a better parent. I know some spectacular parents with children under two years of age, and parents with a dozen kids over a course of twenty years that should be locked up. So no, being a mother longer does not make you a better parent. i agree with that. i know women that have 3+ kids and they’re horrible mothers who deserve to have their children taken away…. and some of them have had their children put into foster homes…

78. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:55 pm

    78 Heather D on June 1, 2006 at 5:37 pm said: My husband is 29 years old. His mother raised him. She’s been a mother for nearly thirty years. She is, incidentally, a shitty mother. Duration of time spent post-birth does NOT mean you’re a better parent. I know some spectacular parents with children under two years of age, and parents with a dozen kids over a course of twenty years that should be locked up. So no, being a mother longer does not make you a better parent. It’s funny. The first ones who always bring up the “formula feeding makes you a bad mother” are the ones who formula feed. I never stated that it makes them better mothers. Trust me, i’ve seen my fair share of shitty parents who are now elderly. I simply stated that Heather is by no means as experienced as someone whos been a parent for a longer amount of time. That’s a fact. It doesn’t give her a disability as far as being good at it. But it does mean that she hasn’t crossed millions of the roads that are to come. I’m sure that Heather is a fine mother. But I don’t agree with her assumptions of mothers who do things differently than her. As for how many kids I have- None. I have, however, been living with babies since I was 6. I’ve had a bigger hand in helping raise my sisters children than i’d really like to, to be honest. Don’t get me wrong. I’m no parent by any meams. In fact, I really don’t ever want to be. But I do have a healthy knowledge about children (0 months - 17 years). I’m not just pulling shit out of my ass.

79. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 5:57 pm

    79 It’s not an assumption. It’s a statement of opinion. I think that the choice is a selfish one.

80. Arleigh Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 6:04 pm

    80 Why wouldn’t you give your child the best? Why would you choose to give them something subpar. Subpar… let’s see, this statement can’t only apply to nutrition. How about having a child at 16 and living off your parents? That, to me, is a “subpar” standard of living for your child.

81. samantha Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 6:06 pm

    81 Heather on June 1, 2006 at 5:57 pm said: It’s not an assumption. It’s a statement of opinion. I think that the choice is a selfish one. i NEVER ask a woman how she feeds her child, because it really isn’t any of my business. but if the topic comes up and i hear a woman say she didn’t breastfeed because she thought that it was “gross”, that rubs me the wrong way. but if a woman at least tries to breastfeed but fails, then i don’t hold her at fault for it. because at least she actually gave a damn…

82. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 6:07 pm

    82 Was that directed at me? Because I didn’t have a child at 16…

83. Heather Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 6:09 pm

    83 SAmantha - Indeed. And I think most of the time a woman fails is because of lack of support/information out there today. I think they way we look at breastfeeding needs to be overhauled so women can get the help they may need, you know?

84. Fi Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 6:16 pm

    84 I’d still like to know how someone can be offended by THAT.

85. Fi Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 6:17 pm

    85 oh bugger it didnt post right: http://pics.livejournal.com/rawness/pic/00022gq8 You can’t even see anything other than shirt and bald kid.

86. Erin Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 6:26 pm

    86 Arleigh on June 1, 2006 at 6:04 pm said: Why wouldn’t you give your child the best? Why would you choose to give them something subpar. Subpar… let’s see, this statement can’t only apply to nutrition. How about having a child at 16 and living off your parents? That, to me, is a “subpar” standard of living for your child. Heh.

87. Angela Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 7:46 pm

    87 in reference to me reporting the dude with anime porn etc… Dear LiveJournal user angela_a, Thank you for your report. We have evaluated the userpics in question, and we have determined that they are not in violation of our Terms of Service. While the pictures may be objectionable, non-default userpics are not held to as strict constraints as default userpics; this is because non-default userpics are not as easily stumbled upon by general visitors to the site. For more information on our userpic content restrictions, please see the following FAQ: http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=111 Regards, Eric LiveJournal Abuse Team damnit, fuck you LJ!!!

88. R&C's Dildo Posted: Jun 1st, 2006 8:06 pm

    88 LMAO!! now that’s funny right thar!

89. TGO Posted